The New Third Reich (Off Topic?)

[Gojira]

Hello.
I saw the video a while ago and wrote down this note for another forum, now I´d like to publish it here (Before heading to university , hurry, hurry ^^).

I do not know if this is the right forum and the right place to talk about things like these to be seen in the video linked in my post. The things shown in this video have deeply impacted my sight of actual geostrategical happenings and opened my eyes in more than just one respect. If you can afford to spend the time to watch the following video, you will have a clear, well structured view of actual phenomena in world politics and a masterplan of a rearrangement of the world order is getting obvious.


The postet link is not just about the surroundings of september 11th, but far more shows the hegemonial intentions of America´s ruling elite from decades ago. After watching the video, the close connections between US enterprises, secret services and America´s administrations is becoming evident.

I do not know if the political interest in this forum is deep enough to understand what´s actually going on. Maybe the video will reach some intelligent people, that are interested in what the world is at the moment,and what it might become. Hope so...

You might say, this is just a conspiracy video out of hundreds in the internet. Well, it´s not true. The author refers to verified sources, as the New York Times, Washington Post, F.A.Z, Le Figaro and many more trustworthy sources.

Many of you might think in an unshaped, confuse and undefined denying mannor of America, the CIA, the FBI, the conflict in Afghanistan, Iraq a.s.o.
This video gives a clear describing of what is going on, what was going and what might be. It shows how america turned from a democracy to a dictatorship, why Afganistan was the first target after 9.11, why America wants a pipeline through the middle east, why and how the Soviet Union was weakened until it collapsed, how to make china an addicted to america, how the bill of rights has lost it´s power, why the drug market is the same important as the oil market to US economy and much more surprising and shocking facts about the last remaining superpower on the planet.

in brief:

This video shows the rising of a new Third Reich.

Before commenting on my post, please watch the video. The authors newsletter is read by 20 members of the US congress, Professors from 12 Universities and was read in 27 countries when published ( should be more now .
He doesn´t seem to be an idiot ^^

I´d like you to watch the video and draw your own conclusions.

P.S.: A good knowledge of the english language is substancial to understand what´s said.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ion%3Along

Kind regards,
Gojira

[|FrEaK|Safran]

ohmygod...

But I`m still carefull with those vid`s...
Names don`t grand they say the truth but it`s really shocking...

I`ve found a similar video about the first Iraq war but that was in german...

[Langemarck]

let's see :p

[Langemarck]

Most of the people in this video have a subjective opinion, because they have been fired and so on, but he has some very good arguments.
But no acctual hard evidence, there is more evidence of ufo's being real than 9/11 being conspiracy.

This guy constanly even makes publicity for his website and for books,
even pespi cola ^^, don't forget that millions of people, make money by trying to convince people of their ideas. With the conspiracy theories and movies about 9/11 alone there must be billions of dollars earned.

About the content about the video i can say this;
yes their government is hypocrit, but who elected it, who made it possible
to give people so much power.
to show you how hypocrit americans are:
there are millions of creationists in the usa, they even are building a museum where human kids are sitting next to dionosaurs by the water.
To bad for the americans who havn't lost their mind. majority voted for
the people who are in power today and in the past.

Next let me ask you some questions,
Who cares if the cia or wall street companies make money with drugs???
The European banks make money with weapon industry, does that mean you will join a fair bank that gives you -2% less intrest?
Nah.
Who cares if everything in this video is true?
what if they did invade iraq for oil, and blew up the wtc for keeping the economy alive?

We europeans depend of the united states, militairy and financial.
If wall street crashes it will be devestating as well for them as for us.
How many people in europ do you think work directly or indirectly for an american multinational?
And how many conflicts would occur if wall street crashed?

So take the dirty money, better you and some very rich wall street comapnies have it than a drugs baron who buys 500cars with it.
Give it to some poor people or give it to green peace.
Yes it's hypocrit to give it to oranisations who try to restore what those companies ruined, but there is no other option.

US is at a point where it can't go back: they can't stop investing in defence or they will be attacked, and they can't stop inevesting in economy or the market will crash. They need 3billion $ investments a day. They depend 70% on foreign money.
They are our bank, we give them money, and they give us jobs and profits.

Not all 7billion people can have a bed, food and water every day, it's not possible. Sure, kapitalism is very unethical and unfair, but it's the best system we've got. And the power is best in hands of democrats of course, but in the situation of the usa maybe not.
Europ chose for health care and a more socialist system, where usa chose for profit and wealth. That's what made them the most powerfull nation in the world.

This is my opinion if this video would be true, look down down to see why I believe that it isn't.

[Gojira]

Most of the people in this video have a subjective opinion, because they have been fired and so on

There´s a lecture in the university of protland to be seen, guess they aren´t unemployed but students.

But no acctual hard evidence

I disagree in that point, and as can be seen in the intro, none of his prooves could be eliminated yet. There are lots of documents shown, many of the stated claims are valuated by other sources too, for example "operation northwood".

This guy constanly even makes publicity for his website and for books,
even pespi cola ^^

He makes publicity for his website which i can understand, I´d make it too.
The Pepsi joke isn´t a real commercial I think. I prefer Coke anyway

don't forget that millions of people, make money by trying to convince people of their ideas. With the conspiracy theories and movies about 9/11 alone there must be billions of dollars earned.

U mix up private films that are made by conspiray theoretics and the 2 Hollywood movies.

About the content about the video i can say this;
yes their government is hypocrit, but who elected it, who made it possible
to give people so much power.

It´s said, that Bush´s election was illegal. By the way it is well known, how easy the americans can be influenced by their mass media. The viedeo says that CNBC, NBC a.s.o. are property of General Electrics which profits from the war and is affiliate to Bush.

Who cares if the cia or wall street companies make money with drugs???
The European banks make money with weapon industry, does that mean you will join a fair bank that gives you -2% less intrest?
Nah.
Who cares if everything in this video is true?
what if they did invade iraq for oil, and blew up the wtc for keeping the economy alive?

Well, I care Lange. I am interested in the right view of the world, and the details mentioned are important to me to understand, how the world works and what my circumstances are. I just try to stay aware of my surroundings. That´s why I care.

We europeans depend of the united states, militairy and financial.
If wall street crashes it will be devestating as well for them as for us.
How many people in europ do you think work directly or indirectly for an american multinational?
And how many conflicts would occur if wall street crashed?

So take the dirty money, better you and some very rich wall street comapnies have it than a drugs baron who buys 500cars with it.
Give it to some poor people or give it to green peace.
Yes it's hypocrit to give it to oranisations who try to restore what those companies ruined, but there is no other option.

Economics vs Ethics. Could become a big deal in this thread.

[Langemarck]

What acual proof do they have?
I have a video from the 1920's showing an animal or whatever that's full with hair and very big, people say this is bigfoot, some claim to have seen it. now you cannnot fake a video in the 20's and experts agree that it's not a suit. Does this proove this thing really exists?
There are also many images, documents and video's of ufo's and marks in fields that no one can say they are fake.
Ask a lawer what this evidence is worth, we don't even know if these documents are real.
Remember the diary of adolf hitler?
Look how many of the the non-governmental sources who published documents about 9/11 are used by conspiracy theories.

It's very hard to proove something like this, you need confessions, or
material evidence. Some say that the wtc was blown op by c4, this can easely be traced. Some say that the UA 93 was shot down, this can be traced. US officials, mainstream journalists, and mainstream researchers have concluded that responsibility for the attacks and the resulting destruction rests solely with Al Qaeda. And of course it would be much more interesting if the us government did it. 12% of the new yorkers believed that the wtc was struck by a cruise missile.
What people don't get to see is why al qaeda would do this, and the evidence they have about the planing years and years before it happened, way before there was even word of a us economic crisis.

To compare this operation with operation northwoods is in my opionion
not acceptable because the 9/11 had 10.000's of casualties, whereas northwood would have had 0. Governments don't just decide to liquidate
50.000people of their people and officals of the pentagon just that easy.

What they are saying is that these bombing are one big conspiracy and bin laden is a puppet of the us government, which would mean that the attacks on london are also part of the plan?
Maybe to make it look more realistic.



And finally to show you how rediculous these conspacies are look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8tfhqmGkSw
These theories keep the fear in the usa alive, which is just what the republicans want.

[LT albrecht]

Uh-oh, if this stuff keeps up only conspiracy nutters will come here, now I'm for intelligent debate as much as the next member of NAGTY (organisation for verrrrrrry clecer British students, which I happen to belong to) but we need members and if we all talk about conspiracy theories we will add another requirement to what people who might join will be, they would have to:
Speak english
play sudden strike 2
Play RWM
be a cospiracy nutter

[Gojira]

@Lange:
First of all, your referrings to bigfoot, UFOs a.s.o. puts the whole discussion into a non senseful direction and makes this a ridiculous discussion.I talk about a conspiracy, and you try to link it to scifi... (anyway,why should´nt UFOs not exist?Anyway, that´s not the direction I´d like the discusscusion heading on...)
May I please you to watch the film again? None of the statements mentioned in the film haven been prooven wrong. I googled myself for different accuses in the film, cause I was doubtful of it, but: I ALWAYS FOUND OTHER SOURCES, TRUSTFUL SOURCES, TO UNDERLINE WHAT WAS SAID.

The postet video link of you, to show that all the conspiracy theories were nutty, well, it´s like referring a propaganda film of Goebbels to prove something about the non guilty of the Nazi regime. CNN is a part of General Electrics, which profits a lot from the wars and donated millions for G.W.Bushs election campaign as ABC for example is called "CIA TV" in some other sources. You didn´t get, that manipulation of the mass media is a part of the conspiracy.

To compare this operation with operation northwoods is in my opionion
not acceptable because the 9/11 had 10.000's of casualties, whereas northwood would have had 0. Governments don't just decide to liquidate
50.000people of their people and officals of the pentagon just that easy.

Dunno what the number 50 000 refers to but it´s rubbish anyway. I´d like to advice you. to google around for keywords like "drugs+ CIA", "CIA+ Air America" , "MI5 and MI6 + drugs" a.s.o then you will see, that the governements of the US and England accept tens of thousands of drug deads every year ( a small hint fo LT. Albrecht too) and gain a lot of money by this.

Well @ LT Albrecht:
I agree this thread is in the wrong place as the english board has just this section yet...

Let me ask: Did you see the film at all? Your critics deal with the topic, but nothing referring to the film´s content. The used expression "conspiracy nutter"... well,what´s so hard to think about it? Throughout allof human´s history,conspiracies took place. Why should it be any better today? Are you one of the guys who believe anything your government tells you? Hope not.

Isn´t it a bit suspiscious, that the London bombings took place just a few days before Blair´s reelection, when nobody thought he would make it again? Isn´t it causcious, that your police killed a non armed man that day in the tube, by shooting his head 8 times? Is it so unbelievable, that a nation, that rose up from a fisherman´s and shepherds island to an enconomic super power by making a whole nation a drug addict is still no church choir? I refer to the East India company and the opium deals in china this century... Is it so unbeleivable, that a nation, that brought the worst colonization crimes ever to be seen in mankind´s history does still have some of these ambitions?

Your signature:
"we shall fight them on the beaches and on the fields, we shall fight them in the streets and we shall never surrender, because there isn't a button for that"

What I think:
“The cheapest form of pride by contrast is national pride. For it betrays in the one thus afflicted the lack of individual qualities of which he could be proud, while he would not otherwise reach for what he shares with so many millions. He who possesses significant personal merits will rather recognise the defects of his own nation, as he has them constantly before his eyes, most clearly. But that poor beggar who has nothing in the world of which he can be proud, latches onto the last means of being proud, the nation to which he belongs to. Thus he recovers and is now in gratitude ready to defend with hands and feet all errors and follies which are its own.â€

[LT albrecht]

I recognise that no nation is perfect, every nation has it's drawbacks, it's proverbial "auscwitz" (sorry about the holocaust reference there but it's the most contemporary example), we had the empire, the french, belgians, dutch and others had them too. The germans have a few sad notes in history as do the americans (wiping out the native tribes, the "battle" of sand creek -think that's the one- innocent families massacred instead of looking for rebels), russians have the crimes of the soviet state and most of europe has a history of anti-semitism.

Nobody is perfect, we as a nation, species, or any other grouping are imperfect and that's the way it'll be for as long as there is humanity there'll be human error. I don't support Mr Blair, he's a lieing sadist that should never have got into power in the first place (see www.backingblair.com for a slightly comical view of his wrongdoings), that was a mistake, like the German police snipers hitting the helicopter full of athletes in the munich hostage incident (although our incident does seem to be kind of fishy...), the london bombings were suspicious but then again so was 9/11 and the outcome of the early stages of WWII and ALL major nations exploit someone, whether they be millions of asian workers making sports shoes for pennies a week or small african countries permanantly in poverty due to a corrupt leadership.

My signature is that for a reason you know, it's a time when we did some good from our island nation, we didn't surrender, we weren't invaded, we stood firm when the rest of europe was either under the heel of the german invaders or licking their asses. From our shores D-day was launched and europe liberated; find an argument against that. I admit we all may have done wrong in the past, but without us you'd be either worshiping Hitler or in a soviet Gulag, how does that sound?

without us there'd be no reason for america to enter the war and maybe hitler's insane dreams may have become reality...

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[|FrEaK|Safran]

Youre right
You are both right!

Everybody should be proud about his nationality, but not insane to stay with this word ^^

We all made mistakes, and make mistakes. Our politicians will carry on with making mistakes...

We say in Germany:
"Lassen wir die Vergangenheit ruhen"
Keep the past sleeping. (or something like this)

I think Europe is so "american", we dont really want to get rid of the US, do we?
It`s a good feeling to have a bigger brother who`s having more faults to point with the finger at him

That is my personal meaning.

[Gojira]

@ Lt. Albrecht:

[viriato]

This maybe out off topic but going back to ww2 there is a whole pile of ww2 documentaries on the internet.if you make maps they are a good reference material to use .I recommend "Battlefield series".Very exhaustive and detailed.You can dl them through a p2p programme.

[Gojira]

Thanks for your advice!

Kind regards,
Gojira

[Gojira]

Hi folks^^,

I heard lots of critics about this thread and i guess my reputation suffered a bit...
Well, let me tell you: I was neither kidnapped by UFOs nor do I wear strange hats to protect myself from mindcontrolling earthbeams

Espescially the statements I made about a conspiracy going on were jugded by lots of RWM players to be ridiculous. Well, I´d like to please you to google for these search terms :"rebuilding america´s defenses" which means nothing less than the implementation of a new world order - there´s surely intersting stuff to be seen.

For our german talking members I found an interesting short reportage made by the well known and trusted news magazine :" Monitor" broadcastet by the ARD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj5mw0B6J8Q

The video talks explicitely about a masterplan to gain world domination (after 6min).
My previous posts are anything but ridiculous.


Here´s the link:http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebui ... fenses.pdf

And here is one excerpt:

...the Project for the New American Century is a nonprofit,
educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

The paper is signed by: Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz who are the new neoconservative clique in America.


Gotta go now,
have to catch the next UFO for my meeting on Mars...[/list]

[Matttheoz]

@Gojira

Nice vid...thought provoking. I don't know why you think this thread has damaged your reputation - as far as I can see you are just soberly casting light on an important and topical subject. The globalisation (read 'Americanisation') of the world and subversion/subjugation of the world's cultures by/to american hegemony is the biggest thing going on in the world today and anyone who can't see that is truly a fools' fool. Certainly when one travels this amazing planet of ours one can't help but be confronted by the killing off of indigenous cultures by US led global corporatism. The yanks (amis) are trying to establish a new world order and the amazing thing about people trying to deny this is that the yanks themselves aren't trying to hide it.

As the film says, the actions and appointments of the present US regime are so blatantly open now because they feel they have reached a point now where they no longer have to scheme behind closed doors - there is noone now who can challenge them. Just take Wolfowitz's appointment to the presidency of the World Bank - how blatantly cynical can you get?

The UN is merely an instrument of US power projection which is talked up when it suits the regime and which is ignored when the vassal states attempt to block US led actions. It still bears no resemblence
to the reality of the world situation - the security council is still stacked with minor nations like Britain (which cowtow to the whims of the US because, to put it bluntly, they sold their souls to the US so the US would save their arses during the war) whereas economic powers like Germany and Japan and population powers like India and Brazil still have no permanent seats and no veto powers.

@Albrecht
You may be "verrrrrrrry clever" (although I've never heard a verrrrrrry clever person refer to himself as such) but you are heavily overstating Britain's role in the outcome of the war. The fact is Britain ran away from the fight, even refusing to offer its ally essential aid (deployment of spitfires to France), and busied itself with carpet bombing civilians by dark of night and tinkering in fringe theatres for the remainder of the war. Not the most honorable conduct. Also, the term 'conspiracy nutter'...Bush would be proud... its a term used widely in the US to deride those who legitimately question some of the very dubious acts of the regime ... much like opponents of Apartheid in South Africa were labelled 'Kaffirlovers'.

Personally I have no problem with attracting such 'conspiracy nutters' so long as they play RWM aswell

Cheers,
Matt