Infos RWM 8.0 Version 4.xx

[Ingwio]

RWM 8.0 v4.1 for SSRW
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Download: https://www.sudden-strike-maps.de/index ... 1-for-ssrw

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f8a564cbb9a80b649e07f5e824db6eb21be0bc5550e2aed7ab4bb5bbc661d96a *RWM_80_v41_final.zip

- run game via "game\rwm.bat" or "rwm.exe" here in the folder, this version have no Switcher
- based on unfinished "RWM 8.0 v4 preview" from Tijn, not all new things are working (units, buildings..)
- use prefix for new or updated maps - "[v4]" instead of "[RWM8.0 beta#]"

Schemes
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- most used scheme in beta3 is "RWM Eastfront Summer". In v4 it's under name "RWM Summer 1943-45".
"RWM Summer 1939-42" uses the same game objects, only the camouflage of some units is different.

History of RWM versions:
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RWM 8.0 v4.1 (actual version, edited by community)
RWM 8.0 v4.0 (preview version from Tijn)
RWM 8.0 b3 (latest stable version - Barbarossa & Tijn)

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Special thanks to RWG modders for new infantry sprites!


Changelog:

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- Changelog: RWM 8.0 v4.1 -
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New units:
- US tank commander
- Kavallerist
- Kavallerist Leutnant
- Kriegsmarine Leutnante zur See
- Kriegsmarine Matrose
- Kazak
- Kavaleriyskiy Strelok
- Kavaleriyskiy Razvedchik
- Kavaleriyskiy Serzhant
- Kavaleriyskiy Avtomatchik
- Serzhant Morskoy pekhoty
- Strelok Morskoy pekhoty
- Avtomatchik Morskoy pekhoty
- Politruk
- Strelok ryukzak 
- NKVD Strelok 
- Sailor
- Cavalry
- Cossack
- Opel blitz 36s
- Stalinets S-60
- 75mm Fieldgun (50 shells unreloadable)
- GMC CCKW-353 Oil Truck
- Pz.Kpfw.VI E Tiger I Pz.Abt.502

Changes:
- graphics of some units revert from v4 to b3 (they were unfinished or in some testing stage)
- wrong antitank blocks build by supply trucks in SSF Summer scheme
- fixed crew/infatry training exploit (multiplayer)
- oil tankers - now there are 2 types, with 5000 (graphics with fuel barrels) and 7500 (cistern graphics + Merceder kfz). 
   russian, british, us, french tanker and german Mercedes 384 have 7500 fuel, movement speed rebalanced.
- PzBefWg.III.H	normal gun instead of smoke screen
- 10 new historical songs added
- another small fixes

Misc:
- Maps with all units (for all schemes) + files for editor

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- Changelog: RWM 8.0 v4 preview -
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Lot of new map objects + param fixes
Some old units have new graphis..

New Units:
GENERALS:
Rommel
Guderian
Montgomery
Dempsey
Ike
Zhukov
Konev
de Gaule
Messe

Kfz. 384
Lancia 3Ro
GAZ-AA
GAZ-AA
Lancia 3Ro
Bedford OYD 
Citroen u23
Dodge WC 54
Fiat 626
AEC Matador 4x4
Morris CS 8
Scammell Lorries
M3 Ambulance
Dacia 3Ro supply
Scammell Pioneer SV2S
Locomotive BR 52
Donnerbuchs
Goods wagon
Hospital wagon
Flatbed

GERMAN:
Kfz 13
Sd.Kfz. 250.3
Sd.kfz. 251.3
Pz.Spwg. P204 (f)
Hauptmann
Leutnant
Panzerkommandant
Sd.Kfz 135/1 (Lorraine)
Sdk.Kfz 10/4
Dornier Do 17z

HUNGARIAN:
Hungarian crew
Hungarian rifleman
Hungarian Officer
39M CSABA
38M botond
Toldi I
Turán II

ROMANIAN:
Romanian crew
Romanian rifleman
Romanian officer

RUSSIAN:
Tank komandir
Russian Valentine IX.
Russian Valentine mk II.

BRITISH:
Loyd Carrier mk.I
Tank commander
Valentine mk. IX
Valentine mk. VIII
Valentine mk. IV
Valentine mk. II

[Last Soldier]

In short - RWM development has slowly stopped after years and multiplayer community wanted new stuff in the game. Then we asked Tijn for unfinished RWM 8.0 v4, he sent it to us. It was month ago. So far we did various fixes + added few new units. Now it's in test phase.

1) Is there anybody (esp. singleplayer map makers) who would like to participate in testing?

What is needed:
- experience with the game, history here on forum
- time for testing in next 7 - 14 days max
- reasonable feedback in english language

2) If you have any wishes to improve RWM (easy to implement) or you know some bugs, write it here please
- related to RWM, not game engine..

I doubt that after the testing phase, someone from us will be involved in further RWM development.

[Strelokben85]

Wo gibt es den die neuste Version, finde keine Link.

[badger lowe]

I would be happy to test RWM BETA4 and look for bugs, let me know if i can help
especially concerning , the soldiers in houses , and different types of buildings like trenches
sometimes they are bugged like in BETA3 for example soldiers in trenches can be invincible to incoming fire

[badger lowe]

also its worth mentioning unit names
sometimes they are to long for the display box ,
and maybe change the elite Russian units, for me they are called gwardec strelok, and gwardec kaptin
they are in English Russian , so it makes no sense
perhaps they should be renamed to something like NVKD Rifleman, and NVKD Captin

also if the mod is for multiplayer only, why not consider removing French units

Furthermore there are some units you could potentially add
Marines or naval infantry , it would make sense because the Russian marines took part at Odessa Kerch and Sevastopol

Soviet sapper army - these units sometimes used the PPD41 and wore sort of body armour they took part in sieges of fortified defences and they have never been in any mod. they are also know as shock troops

this is also one of the backgrounds for sudden strike 2

Also the moblewagen self propelled Anti aircraft gun, that was in SSRW

[Gareth]

also its worth mentioning unit names
[...] they are in English Russian , so it makes no sense
perhaps they should be renamed to something like NVKD Rifleman, and NVKD Captin

also if the mod is for multiplayer only, why not consider removing French units

The concept for names of units has been to use the names in the appropriate language. So russian units in russian, british and american units in english, french units in french etc.

Regarding the french units: RWM has always been MP-oriented, but I think it has never been considered to be MP only. Quite the contrary, Barbarossa has always expressed his delight when new SP maps were delivered. So the french units should stay in RWM, at least for SP and by now also for backward compatibility.

[Last Soldier]

Gareth is right. Right now there is no point remove anything from beta3 and lose backward compatibility. It would be good in case of total mod remake, change/remove unused and ugly stuff (map objects, roads, bridges), make order in DESC/parameters, proper file names, unify everything. But no one will do such large amount of work for small community. Anyway French units are part of the mod, they should stay in all cases.

About unit names, there is only problem that in map editor it shows ingame names (original transcription) instead of editor names (their english version). No idea why.
It's not done completely correctly, names are defined in the unit parameters instead of references to another file where they should be stored.

Furthermore there are some units you could potentially add Marines or naval infantry , it would make sense because the Russian marines took part at Odessa Kerch and Sevastopol

Sailor/marines are added already, you can check changelog.

Soviet sapper army - these units sometimes used the PPD41 and wore sort of body armour they took part in sieges of fortified defences and they have never been in any mod. they are also know as shock troops

Probably there is no graphics for them in other mods (I will look at it) and nobody will make new graphics.

moblewagen self propelled Anti aircraft gun, that was in SSRW

It's there already - Flakpanzer IV Mobelwagen

I would be happy to test RWM BETA4 and look for bugs, let me know if i can help
especially concerning , the soldiers in houses , and different types of buildings like trenches
sometimes they are bugged like in BETA3 for example soldiers in trenches can be invincible to incoming fire

Yes this stuff is bugged, esp. in beta3 winter scheme. We have nobody with knowledge about damage system and building parameters, unfortunately it can't be fixed. About testing, I will send you link if others will agree (you're new here).

[Last Soldier]

Maybe someone can help with proper names for these new units, now it's like this:

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German cavalry:
Kavallerist
Kavallerist Leutnant (officer or rather scout?)

German sailors:
Kriegsmarine Matrose
Kriegsmarine Leutnante zur See (officer)

Russian cavalry:
Kavaleriyskiy Strelok
Kavaleriyskiy Razvedchik
Kavaleriyskiy Avtomatchik
Kavaleriyskiy Serzhant (officer)

Russian navy marines (not sailors):
Strelok Morskoy pekhoty
Avtomatchik Morskoy pekhoty
Serzhant Morskoy pekhoty (officer)

And there is also russian shooter same as "Strelok (Mosin 91/30 7,62mm)" but he have backpack (different graphics), it needs unique name.

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Strelok ryukzak (Mosin 91/30 7,62mm)

Seems bit weird.

[badger lowe]

Thanks, yes i am new to the forum i registered only a while ago
let me know if anything comes of the mod, it seems your doing a good job so keep it up

some final suggestions, for you guys to consider
Yugoslavian partisans - as they were the only country to liberate themselves
Czekoslovakian Skoda T34
Alpine Jagers / mountain troops
The Marinestosstruppkompanie
Hungarian troops, they are also in RCM

THANKS

[Last Soldier]

Yugoslavian partisans - as they were the only country to liberate themselves

I also thought about it. No graphics for partisans, but maybe 1 men with rifle and one with smg can be added as OTHER to cover those partisans or another resistance units in various countries

Czekoslovakian Skoda T34

Huh, what's that? Prototypes, not used vehicles during ww2 (IS-3) and post ww2 vehicles are out of original RWM concept

Alpine Jagers / mountain troops, Marinestosstruppkompanie

Unfortunately no graphics

Hungarian troops, they are also in RCM

Tijn added some of them already

[badger lowe]

I agree yes RWM is realistic so no protoypes, i had no idea that the skoda t34 was post war sorry
Regarding the IS3 it is actually not post war it was made in 1944 and did see action but only in south manchuria

Some bugs i found in RWM BETA3

Flamethrowers - they seem to kill everyone inside the tank immediately witch is unrealistic
in real life the British used flamethrowers against armour. however the only vulnerable part of the tank
is the rear where the engine compartment is, a flamethrower could set the engine on fire effectively stopping the tank.
This is the same for smaller flamethrowers like the Flamenwerfer 35 or the ROKS that are not that powerful
But that doesn't mean that all the crew should just die within 5 seconds, it should disable the tank.
Whereas the crocodile and bigger flamethrowers alike should be able to kill the crew

88mm cannons
I had one situation where i had 3 T34s engaging some infantry , one troop jumps on the gun and immediately destroys a tank followed by another despite being blown up and machine gunned.

mortars should kill tank crew of the M18 nashorn wespe hummel and SU76 easier because they have no roof
speaking of the SU76 SMG gunners from experience can kill everyone inside the SPG from behind somehow including the driver who is in a completely armoured compartment and not in the back

The Haftmine - very effective against tanks but if SMG gunners are close to tanks they just stand still instead of trying to get close like the other AT units such as the flamethrowers or panzerfaust, im not sure though

Planes - still the persisting glitch where they cant take off or land if given multiple orders while airborne

Trucks - sometimes they glitch and continuously unload the same troop repeatedly and drag him back in

what happened to the SG43? im sure it is in HS2

regarding the invincible houses and trenches perhaps implement a morale thing
for example they are the only person within a certain area and morale starts to drop when there outnumbered 10 to 1

because a medic and a machingunner in a trench
survived - 4 panthers 2 tigers , 60 infantry PZIV for too long i played over 60+ mods and the original game in every mod buildings always ruin missions if units dont die because it seems like absolute rubbish and takes away from the realism
I believe that in sudden strike 2 houses were balanced perfectly, as wooden houses just get destroyed like in real life instead of taking ages to break and also there was no trenches witch caused bad map design and glitches
im not saying remove them but if you could please fix this as it ruins some of the single missions like
schlact um narva where a trench doesn't die and then artillery is constantly called in until it dies

however this problem is in every other mod
modern warfare also, i had to destroy a trench
the best way?
parachute directly on to it and force my 30 men inside just to overrun it only 2 survived
because apparently modern tanks apcs and jets still have the trench glitch and cant kill it

i think the best way to fix this problem would be to remove them, but that might cause comparability issues
however it remains the most annoying bug with mods to date i hope you can fix it
sorry for ranting

[zarathustra]

Planes - still the persisting glitch where they cant take off or land if given multiple orders while airborne

This is a problem with the SS-engine, not a mod - it’s everywhere!
You just need to properly cntrol airplanes in the air and not exceed the maximum number of teams.

[badger lowe]

yes it is however it can be fixed, well sort of you just need multiple airports

[zarathustra]

The behavior of the aircraft can be “programmed” on the ground: you can assign three (maximum) attack points and nine route points through the “shift” in any sequence. Cancel cancels all actions, but does not release the already used number of commands. When exceeded, the aircraft will “freeze” in the air, and its parking will be blocked. Of course, it can be put on another airfield, but the parking lock at the same time, as a rule, is not removed.
In addition, in the absence of a task (if they have already been deleted), when you press the cancel button, the plane will simply disappear.
That is why when controlling an airplane in the air, I highly recommend using only the “cancel last job” button.

[badger lowe]

yes i was playing MWM with helicopters and it kept getting stuck , thanks for the tips