Balancing Thread in multiplay

[Tovarish]

HKL-Kursk is semi-historical. T-34/85, SU-85 etc. were not in "Zitadelle".

yes but map is good thinked u know how is set reinf and all scenario germ start in U shape:D and dynamic of the map is very good !

Oh yeh? Around the Russians are just cliffs and germans get JP. But that was Roter Baron's Cut.

[viriato]

here is the right liste in my opinion and its very often used:
Kt vs 2 js 2+isu 152
elephant vs js 2
tiger vs js 1
1 panther vs 1 t 34 85+1 kw 85
1 panther vs 1 t 34 85 (43)+1 t 34 85(44)
jagdpazner vs su 85
jagdpanther vs su 100
nahsorn vs su 100
pz4 vs t 34 76 and i dont eneter in details with models its ur choice to made this
And if u want a fair game u must make a battle between tanks destroyers with fix gun and tanks with turrets ;there are soem exception but if u use jagdpanther +jagdpanzer vs 2 t 34 85+kw 85 then u are a dumie newb and dont know anything about balancing games.
But if u want to make a historical battle and u want to respect in a measure of 90% units and all stuff its other problem .i like hitorical maps but if u make one do it with head not impossibile maps or silly maps and if i remember allies was superior in nr of tanks against power of germans tanks and dont put ever TIGER VS 2 SHERMAN 1 !!! LOL PS.U know what i mean

About pz4 vs t34 76 I agree.Tested it some time ago and I used it in a game but again there were many complaints so many players dropped out, they wanted t34 85 and at least model 44 which is for me a bit" too strong"
I think another way around it is perhaps adding extra experience say 20 % to allies .
The funny story goes is that at Kursk the only strongest thing that the ruskies had at the time was the kw 85(staling 1 came as a adaptation but still using the chassis of the original KW ) and also they used a lot lend leased shermans

[adrian]

What do u mean ? t 34 85 vs pz4? t 34 85 model 44 has range more good but plate is shit anyway if u shoot a t 34 85 with a 75 in his" ass" boom and tank is destoyed even 2 pz 4 if si enough closer can stop from 2 shoots a t 34 85 .I observed now that t 34 85 is very thin and u must be very carefully with them ;i can say that are "eggs tanks"
I am very disapoint about the status of t 34 85 now

[Lamafarmer]

And why are you disappointed? It's the T-34 chassis after all I guess.

[adrian]

And why are you disappointed? It's the T-34 chassis after all I guess.

seem u didint played 6.7beta 2 or at least 6.6!! t 34 85 was able to get 1 shoot in ass even from a 88 and he wasnt stoped (just from far distance )now u are hit once even a with pz 4 or a at canon 75 mm and ur tanks is history .Pz 4 make more damage now and t 34 85 plate is more shit now ussr are in a big shit because t 34 85 was the main tank in batlle and the speed of ur armie is given by those tanks; wihtout them u cant make a shit!the only good tank remaine js 1 but is slow and kw 85 is more slow su 85 is imobilize from 1 shoot from a jagdpanzer or a panther or a tiger ;then u have su 100 is very good gun but a su 100 if he is hit from sides of a pz 4 he is imobilized and liste contiuu its sensless to discusse because one conclusion is :ussr is in deep shit!!
P.S.and ur experience battle is limited kuebel(Play more maps not just kleist maps)

[Lamafarmer]

And why are you disappointed? It's the T-34 chassis after all I guess.

seem u didint played 6.7beta 2 or at least 6.6!! t 34 85 was able to get 1 shoot in ass even from a 88 and he wasnt stoped (just from far distance )now u are hit once even a with pz 4 or a at canon 75 mm and ur tanks is history .Pz 4 make more damage now and t 34 85 plate is more shit now ussr are in a big shit because t 34 85 was the main tank in batlle and the speed of ur armie is given by those tanks; wihtout them u cant make a shit!

So you want the 75mm and even the 88mm to make less damage to the rear where the engine of a tank is? Uh, yea, whatever. And I've played since 6.31, just for your information.

the only good tank remaine js 1 but is slow and kw 85 is more slow su 85 is imobilize from 1 shoot from a jagdpanzer or a panther or a tiger ;then u have su 100 is very good gun but a su 100 if he is hit from sides of a pz 4 he is imobilized and liste contiuu its sensless to discusse because one conclusion is :ussr is in deep shit!!

What's wrong with the T-34s? And what do you expect to happen to a Su-85 (you said Su-85, so you don't mean the M version I guess) when it gets hit by the long 75mm gun? The Germans have the same problem with their Jagdpanzer when it's hit in the side and immobilized, although you might need two T-34/76 for that or a T-34/85. I might be wrong but it sounds reasonable to me.
My conclusion is that you just don't use your units wisely.

P.S.and ur experience battle is limited kuebel(Play more maps not just kleist maps)

Wrong again. Where do you get this stuff? I can't remember playing any of Kleist's maps until mid-RWM 6.6 and I've played dozens of other maps. I just like Kleist's maps more because I can a) talk to him when I think something's not right with the balance, b) they are very detailed and he puts a lot of work and time into his maps and c) you don't get the usual reenforcements like on other maps.

[|FrEaK|Safran]

Yeah Kleist maps are GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
And often more tactical than others...

[pTah]

i'm not sure but the t34 has not that much armor even the t34 85 imho. so ... RWM tries to be REAListic... it's not perfect, but tank-values should not be science-fiction. it's up to the mapper to make balanced maps!!!

Yeah Kleist maps are GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
And often more tactical than others...

yeah, same with me. i love them. i have no problem if they are sometime some unbalanced units. it's fun to play kleist maps even when i lose from time to time... i have no prob with losing. it's fun to just deliver a tough game till the end. i love to mine my last fortress to get some last tank-kills.

[adrian]

U and ur gang say that maps from kleis are balance and good beacuse u dotn play other maps!!!! and u dont know anythig about balancing i give u a ex:he put 1 tiger vs 2 sherman 1 pfffff ye he is cool in ur opinion
and go to test 1 shoot from t 34 85 in a jagdpanzer and panther shooting in a su85 and last model !!as i say ur experience batlle is limited

[pTah]

U and ur gang say that maps from kleis are balance and good beacuse u dotn play other maps!!!! and u dont know anythig about balancing i give u a ex:he put 1 tiger vs 2 sherman 1 pfffff.
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i never said that. sometime i find them unbalanced too, but in a special way i find that challenging and fun to play! there are "different", i totally agree. and i also understand if someone don't like...
btw. that has nothing to do with the question whether t34 and the other russian tanks are balanced the right way. so let us come back to the topic.
i'm not experienced enough in the beta4, so it's your turn to discuss this furthermore.

[adrian]

test before speake that is all!! dont make afiramtion if u dont know what i talking about!!ok?u dont know how strong was t 34 before beta 4 and before 6.6 so pls

[Roy]

T 34/85 was very strong back in 6.3 times, too strong. I think its ok that its much weaker now. It gives the russian hordes a special feeling

[adrian]

T 34/85 was very strong back in 6.3 times, too strong. I think its ok that its much weaker now. It gives the russian hordes a special feeling

yes but in 6.3 a 88 aa shell kill a t 34 85 from evry angle:D

[pTah]

test before speake that is all!! dont make afiramtion if u dont know what i talking about!!ok?u dont know how strong was t 34 before beta 4 and before 6.6 so pls

again, i didn't say that!
i know the t34(and of course the other tanks) since RWM 5.0...
but that doesn't mean im a specialist in this. i just wanted to state my opinion. i never claimed that that my opinion is the only truth...

my subjective feeling while playing the game tells me that the t34 is not too weak. and i totally agree with roy. remember that the t34 is not a heavy tank!

[adrian]

Again I am say that t 34 was not a heavy tank but a panther u can consider a medium- heavy tank and pannther is oponent of t 34 85and t 34 85 is not even close to medium if he is destroy by 2 p 4 from 2.5 shots .I say how was t 34 85 in 6.6 was the prefect balance and i mean he can suport one hit in "ass" from pz 4and not imobilzie that it all and againe u didint know that!!! In reality even a t 34 85 if he shoot in bacside plate of panther he was destroy!!so i talk about a balance in game not chasis and all stuff....